Caitlin Gregg has won the Birkie four times. Four.

If you’re keeping track at home, that’s four more times than I’ve won the Birkie. Or you (well, almost all of you).

And she came on the fourth BG Podcast! (See what we did there?) It’s pretty great. Hear about the Birkie, and last year’s World Champs, and all else.

Oh, and when she says the second place woman’s name Dabudyk and it sounds like “dabooty” and I don’t laugh, it is a testament to restraint on my part (or we edited it out, you’ll never know). So enjoy that moment.